ARGOMENTO:

forza, sputate il rospo!

chi è il pazzo che vuole costituire una vera e propria associazione??
(tipo Rechenkraft per intenderci)

mi sembra che l'ha accennata bax na cosa del genere.

Credo che il primo ad aver menzionato la cosa sia stato Cenit.
A me personalmente non dispiacerebbe, anzi. Però bisognerebbe A) vedere se e come è fattibile e B) creare almeno un gruppo centrale di utenti che decidano di diventare anche soci.

Qualcuno ha notizie su A)?

Io mi metto nella lista dei pazzi.
Però bisogna prima informarsi bene.
A questo proposito l'intervista a Yoyo potrebbe darci qualche spunto.

7D9 ha scritto:

Io mi metto nella lista dei pazzi.
Però bisogna prima informarsi bene.

Anche io mi accodo, sarebbe veramente un salto di qualità.
Fare una associazione, in teoria, non è difficile.
Il difficile è la parte burocratica.
Servono, se non ricordo male (ho partecipato in passato ad alcune associazioni):
1)Uno statuto (da registrare presso un notaio, ma la legge potrebbe essere cambiata dall'ultima volta.....ai tempi spendemmo alcune centinaia di migliaia di lire, non ricordo la cifra esatta).
2)Un presidente, un segretario, un tesoriere (se non ricordo male questi sono i componenti del Consiglio direttivo)
3)Una sede (può anche essere una casa privata)

Vado a leggermi questo link per rinfrescarmi le idee
www.associazionifvg.it/documenti/come.html

Urc, ecco un facsimile che ho trovato in una veloce ricerca
www.noprofit.org/doc/assocul.rtf

Mi spiegate i vantaggi ?
Perche' vedo anche alcuni svantaggi, come l'aumento esponenziale della burocrazia e quindi del tempo libero che dovra' dedicare chi si vorra' impegnare nella cosa.

I vantaggi sono i soldi (donazioni, sponsorship, accesso a fondi) e il riconoscimento ufficiale, con i vantaggi che ne conseguono: possibilità di accesso a sale comunali, di emissione di fatture, di organizzazione eventi ecc.

Venturini Dario ha scritto:

I vantaggi sono i soldi (donazioni, sponsorship, accesso a fondi) e il riconoscimento ufficiale, con i vantaggi che ne conseguono: possibilità di accesso a sale comunali, di emissione di fatture, di organizzazione eventi ecc.

Pure i media ti trattano diversamente se sei una associazione e non un semplice "gruppo", per quanto coeso e attivo....

boboviz ha scritto:

Pure i media ti trattano diversamente se sei una associazione e non un semplice "gruppo", per quanto coeso e attivo....

E secondo me la stessa cosa vale per amici, colleghi, professori,...

Hello,

just jumped in to this thread. I read it only with google translate, means I understand only 50%

But if you want to create a public acknowledge association a lot of things are depending on your local laws about it. But in most developed countries (e.g. US, UK, Germany) it is somehow promoted by local law if people are organizing them self into an association and if the association is:
- public (everybody can join)
- creates some use full benefit for the country or the people in the country, e.g. for science or education.
- maybe there are some other conditions in Italy

In Germany Rechenkraft.net is an public acknowledged association (yes it causes some burecracy). If somebody donates to us he gets back some taxes. For big donations we are able to hand out a donation receipt, which is accepted by the tax authority and he gets the taxes back for this part. E.g if I donate 100,- and my tax rate is 30% than Rechenkraft.net gets 100,-, and I get 30,- back from the tax authority.

yoyo

yoyo ha scritto:

...
But if you want to create a public acknowledge association a lot of things are depending on your local laws about it.

the point is: we do not know our local laws about it

surely we'll need help to solve this unknowledgeness and probably this will cost us some money

but I think this is the right way

yoyo ha scritto:

just jumped in to this thread. I read it only with google translate, means I understand only 50%

welcome here and thanks for visiting

some questions I would like to ask you are:
* why did you create an association instead of a simple boinc team?
* did you get some benefits since that (not in terms of money, of course)?
* how much did you spend in creating the association?
* how many people are involved in Rechenkraft.net?

Ducati 749 ha scritto:

yoyo ha scritto:

just jumped in to this thread. I read it only with google translate, means I understand only 50%

welcome here and thanks for visiting

some questions I would like to ask you are:
* why did you create an association instead of a simple boinc team?

We always wanted to be more than a usual crunching team. Our interests were always mostly on the useful projects, not much SETI and not much prime projects. We had the first complete description about distributed computing projects. In our forum and wiki also a lot of people of other Boinc teams are active. Credits are funny, but not so important for us as for other teams.
Than someday we recognized that we want to spread the idea of distributed computing to people to let them do useful science and to scientists that they can use this opportunity as low cost supercomputer.
So our team is important, but the idea is more important for us.
There are a lot of user crunching for Rechenkraft.net and there are ~65 member in the Rechenkraft.net e.V. association. There are also some who are crunching for different teams or are not from Germany.
We have also much more on our todo list and big goals for the future, where an registered association is an advantage.
We are already in cooperation with some scientists (for RNA World, Muon, evolution@home, ...). We plan also to open RNA World for RNA-Scientists in the future. Our most weak points are to less money and to less time. For this we need donations and people who active help to develop the projects.

* did you get some benefits since that (not in terms of money, of course)?

We are currently known not only in the Boinc community, but also in some universities and at some scientists. There are some (still to less) people who are joining us and helping to implement our ideas. And there are also some scientists and people who are asking for help to create a distributed computing project or that we should run there project. But as said we do not have enough money, manpower and time for this. Compared with WCG, SETI or other distributed computing projects we have nothing. But we plan to change it.

* how much did you spend in creating the association?

4 people worked for it for lets say 1/2 year. There are a lot of rules to fulfill, papers and letters to be written and so on. E.g. in Germany there must be at least one member meeting each year and we had to make clear to the registration, that we do it online and not in face2face meetings. We are the first association, who makes it virtual in an online meeting.

* how many people are involved in Rechenkraft.net?

In the association are currently 67 registered and paying members also from different teams, 1 honorable member, the management is mainly done by 4 people and a lot of people are helping (www.rechenkraft.net/wiki/index.php?title=Verein:Vorstand).
Beside this there are hundreds of users in our team (boincstats says 2072).

yoyo

yoyo ha scritto:

E.g. in Germany there must be at least one member meeting each year and we had to make clear to the registration, that we do it online and not in face2face meetings. We are the first association, who makes it virtual in an online meeting.

This is good. If we can have online meeting also in Italy, one of the big problems being an association would be solved.
We have to check this in the italian rules.

I'm confident that, if clearly stated, we can do that too. Probably it's not clearly stated in the law, but they won't complain.

P.S. By the way, I think we will meet face2face once a year...

Non so se la cosa continua, ma posto alcuni link che ritengo utili:

www.nonprofit.viainternet.org/

www.padovanet.it/mod...modulo%20iscrizione2009_GGnuoviorari.pdf (modulo per il comune di Padova per far riconoscere una associazione al comune)

www.ilmondounito.com/

www.noprofit.org/asso.htm